State Wants Feedback on $2.2 Million Rotary Project

The project would enhance sight lines at the rotary on the Seymour-Oxford line, according to the DOT.


Anyone who wants to let the state know its position on a new $2.2 million reconstruction of the rotary at Routes 188 and 334 and Holbrook Road on the Seymour-Oxford line will have that opportunity soon. 

The Connecticut Department of Transportation will conduct a public informational meeting concerning the proposed improvements on Wednesday, Feb. 6, in the Community Center Meeting Room, Seymour Community Center, 20 Pine St., Seymour.  An informal question and answer session will begin at 6:30 p.m. followed by a formal design presentation at 7 p.m.

 The primary purpose of this project - State Project No. 124-162 - is to enhance safety at the rotary type intersection and improve sightlines.

"Although the existing intersection has many of the features of a modern roundabout design, like the grass splitter islands and a grass center island, the alignment on several of the approaches have minimal deflection resulting in high operating speeds," according to a DOT news release. "Modern roundabout designs are most effective when motorists travel at lower operating speeds." 

 The proposed project will upgrade the existing four-leg rotary intersection to a modern type roundabout.  The approach geometry will be modified and the splitter islands will be raised and lengthened to channelize traffic into a more deflected pattern.  The center island will also be raised and landscaped to increase visibility from the approaches.  Additionally, the profile on Route 334 will be lowered to improve sightlines.  These improvements, along with new signing, are intended to gradually slow vehicles down to the lower speeds of the circulating traffic, resulting in a safer intersection.  The realignment of the approaches and the new splitter islands will require full depth reconstruction.  Work within the circle of the roundabout will include the construction of a concrete truck apron and re-grading of the center island.  The extent of the pavement work required in the circle will be determined based on cross-slope and drainage considerations.  Utility relocations appear likely at this time to accommodate the realignment of the approaches, and illumination of the roundabout will be considered.

Construction is anticipated to begin in spring 2015 based on the availability of funding.  The estimated construction cost for this project is approximately $2.2 million.  This project is anticipated to be undertaken with 100 percent State funds.

The Public Informational Meeting is being held to afford a full opportunity for public participation and to allow open discussion of any views and comments the community may have concerning this proposed project. 

The meeting facility is ADA accessible.  Language assistance may be requested by contacting the Department of Transportation's Office of Communications (Voice only) at (860) 594-3062 at least five working days prior to the meeting.  Language assistance is provided at no cost to the public, and efforts will be made to respond to requests for assistance.

Plans of the proposed project will be on display for public review.  Department personnel will be available during the meeting to discuss this project.  More detailed information is available at the Department’s Office of Engineering, 2800 Berlin Turnpike, Newington, Connecticut, Monday through Friday between the hours of 8:30 a.m. and 4 p.m., excluding holidays.  Anyone wishing to discuss the project may contact Mr. Timothy M. Wilson at (860) 594-3189 or by e-mail at Timothy.Wilson@ct.gov. Plans are also available for review at the Seymour Town Hall.

The above news release comes from the Connecticut Department of Transportation.


Craig Zac January 24, 2013 at 12:49 PM
i vote for the 4 way stop...if folks cant learn to drive right, then there should be a stop sign or.... put a red flashing traffic light up so the cars coming from 67 or 34 have to stop while the traffic on 188 has a flashing yellow. lets face it, the problem isnt "Line of sight" its moronic, egotisticle drivers who just dont care if they cut you off or not, they just have to beat you through it or they just h ave to be first.. its a driving problem, not a street, sight, rotory or stopping problem, its just how people drive nowadays!
Craig Zac January 24, 2013 at 12:53 PM
......... While im at it, i have said it before on here (Patch) I can sve the state the time, $$$ and trouble. just put a speed bump at the entrances to the roundabout... problem solved! Whos idea was it to spend $2.2 mill? seriously I think they need to be investigated, there is something really shady about this. either someone is taking construction kick backs or helping out a buddy or something, this just reeks of graft!! How does one start an investigation into this and how does one suggest alternat ideas instead of un needed money wasting? Whos the person to contact about fraud?
Kelly Donohue January 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM
I think this is a total waste of money. We are in debt and we're going to spend money to change something that works, just not new enough? I live a mile away and am in that rotary often. I don't believe there has ever been an accident in the 10+ years I have lived here. Aren't we trying to be more fiscally responsible??
Tom Adamski January 24, 2013 at 01:00 PM
How many accidents have there been at the rotary? In fourteen years living in Oxford, I don't remember seeing one or reading about one. Statistically, rotaries have a much lower accident rate than four way stop signs, despite the fact that many drivers have no idea how right of way works within a rotary. With all the roadway issues that need attention, this should be very low on the list, and should not require 2.2 million to remedy.
Craig Zac January 24, 2013 at 01:37 PM
i drive through it twwice a day, both of them rush hour and havent seen one yet! This is why i say it stinks like some sort of scam and it needs to be investigated NOW!!!! Someone is lining their pockets or greasing the palms of another and guess whos gonna pay for it... BINGO!! we are! But get this... we hear about this cause its local, how many "Jobs" like this are pulled off in other towns in this state that we DONT hear of? anyone?? NONE! This is like when the government pays like $4000.00 for a bolt used in the making of some military item like a plane or car...lol and its a regular, run of the mill bolt that you can buy at home depot for $1.00
OxfordCitizen January 24, 2013 at 02:15 PM
I am going to try and make the meeting/presentation at the Seymour Community Center. I agree with Zac, Rich, & the others.... speed bump or 4 way stop..... cheap, easy, done, on to the next thing.....
Connecticut Yankee January 24, 2013 at 03:29 PM
Much ado and expense about nothing. $2 million +? Whose buddies are getting this contract?
Mark K January 24, 2013 at 04:06 PM
Like everyone else, I believe this is a total waste of money.
Seymour Resident January 24, 2013 at 04:28 PM
I think there needs to be a light at 34 more than anything. I have seen so many accidents at that intersection and I haven't seen one at the rotary. Just my opinion, and that would save money and lives.
Tush January 24, 2013 at 04:48 PM
Agree with all. Waste of money for sure.... money that can be used in so many other necessary projects. 2.2 million to SLOW DOWN DRIVERS? Ludicrous!
Nancy Nelson January 24, 2013 at 05:40 PM
Been through the rotary forever and never had a problem. Leave it alone. Save the money.
Richard Burke January 24, 2013 at 05:49 PM
As comedian Ron White says, “You can’t fix stupid”, and spending $2,200,000 to fix something that isn’t broken would prove his point. Contrary to Oxford Citizens experience, I have lived in Oxford for 30 years and use this rotary daily. I have not experienced such problems and find no good reason to waste taxpayer’s hard earned dollars on a non-issue. CT already has the highest tax structure in America, and yet … cannot currently meet its own budget. With a long list of other much more important needs, as well as, a call to lower taxes … this is a sheer waste of our money. This taxpayer hopes that the SDOT comes to its senses. If it doesn’t, let’s pray that a higher authority exercises common sense and fiscal responsibility … by saying NO.
Craig Zac January 24, 2013 at 06:55 PM
If anyone is going to this meeting, please print out these comments and the ones from the last story on this subject from a few months ago... here: http://oxford-ct.patch.com/articles/dot-to-fix-rotary-on-oxford-seymour-line
CMG January 24, 2013 at 07:09 PM
I have grown up in Seymour and Oxford my whole life. There is nothing wrong with the rotary! The only problem I see with the rotary are the morons that don't follow instructions. There are Yield signs in 4 spots; that means approach slowly, then proceed. The people coming up from Rt. 34 think it's a freeway and they automatically have the right of way and yield to no one. I don't see the need to spend millions of dollars on human stupidity. I say make it a 4-way stop and leave it the way it is and be done with it. How much could 4 stop signs cost? Does it really take engineers to think of a common sense solution?
CMG January 24, 2013 at 07:12 PM
Instead of spending the money on a traffic light, how about a cop directing traffic at the start and stop of school for what, 20 mintues? That's what they do in Trumbull at the school on Daniel's Farm Road. It is definitely a nightmare for people trying to get out of the high school and of course no one will let one car or bus out, like it's going to set them back an hour if they do so. People are just idiots.
CMG January 24, 2013 at 07:13 PM
Speed bumps are another great idea! Unless of course you have witnessed the people I have flying over them in parking lots like they don't exist. LOL
CMG January 24, 2013 at 07:14 PM
Lived my whole life between both towns and do not recall any accidents in the rotary...i think it's also a scam and a waste of money. Who is trying to line somone's pocket?
CMG January 24, 2013 at 07:15 PM
a light could definitely be used at the bottom of the hill and Rt. 34. The line backs up in the morning at least 30 cars deep trying to get out onto Rt. 34. It would also slow down the traffic on 34 as people seem to use it as a speedway.
CMG January 24, 2013 at 07:15 PM
Good idea C Zac.
wells5150 January 24, 2013 at 09:04 PM
I can't believe that nightmare patch costs $2mil.
Tanya Carver January 25, 2013 at 04:11 AM
Hola Mr. Burke, I agree with you "if it's not broken, don't fix it". I have lived in this area since 1978, okay so now you know how old I am :) I really don't see a reason to change. Where is the money coming from? All I hear is that the State is out of Money!!!
Me January 25, 2013 at 05:43 PM
absolutely right... nothing wrong with the rotary if you aren't a moron.. but the state does need to make it more moron proof because obviously isn't working currently.. I say under the "yield" signs, add another sign that says something along the lines "..to vehicles in the rotary" or "vehicles in the rotary have the right of way".. see how that plays out.. this isn't the only rotary in the country.. the state doesn't need to complicate this with a $2M project that is really going to irk people on many fronts.. in europe, the yield there is flipped.. cars in the rotary yield to cars entering... i hated that when I lived there..
Craig Zac January 25, 2013 at 07:06 PM
Its not a sight line problem... like someone said, its a stupidity problem. They can see the cars they are cutting off just fine... I was going through it last night, I was going up to oxford, someone just beat me to the rotory, they were coming down from oxford, so i stopped to wait and see if they were going straight or turning to go down to 67... which is what they did, so as im waiting, sme J/O comes from 34 and just hops on in behind the guy im waiting for... so now I have to wait for both of them. People....its only a 4 way stop!!! Granted, its a 4 way stop you dont need to stop at if theres no other cars there... if theres others there you MUST stop and wait your turn!!!
Craig Zac January 25, 2013 at 07:10 PM
why is that rotary even there anyway? theres a whole bunch of roads crossing 188... its like just this randon sh***y roundabout that has no reason for being there...lol whos bright idea was it do install it? what were they thinking? maybe it was good for horse and buggy days or bicycles but not today, people are way to impatient and cocky today and drive like morons. oh yeah, turn your high beams off to you jerks and take those stupid blue head lights out or adjust them correctly!!!!
Craig Zac January 25, 2013 at 07:12 PM
its a very typical move, cry that we have no money, raise everyones taxes, then spend it like theres no end... they always raise, raise raise but never cut spending. the more we give, the more they take!
Abe January 26, 2013 at 01:22 AM
Considering how badly most drivers handle stop signs these days, the rotary is the way to go. I like the idea of a light at 34 and 188. I've seen plenty of accidents there.
Craig Zac January 26, 2013 at 01:29 AM
I emailed channel 8 news about this... maybe theyd also be interested in why the state raises our taxes cause they are almost broke yet see no problems in dropping 2.2 million to make a new rotory because the old one wasnt working.... what do they think will happen at the new one? people will not go straight through it without yeilding to oncoming traffic already in the circle? lol... a 2.2 million dollar joke by the state DOT!
Chris Alonzo January 30, 2013 at 07:13 PM
A 4-Way Stop is better than a rotary in my opinion. And much cheaper.
Craig Zac January 30, 2013 at 07:26 PM
Still havent heard back from Channel 8 news about this... anyone else wanna give them a shout? maybe if a few of us do, they will respond? just give them the likn to this story here on patch.
Craig Zac January 30, 2013 at 07:30 PM
i like it too Abe but not rebuilding it for $2.2 million... thats just crazyness... our state is in a financial ditch and all our taxes are so high half of us cant heat our homes and the DOT wants to drop 2.2million $$ on a dumpy little rotory in Oxmour? doesnt that just sound like.... nuts? I know these State employees need to work like the rest of us but, this ust isnt cool... i could go down there with 3 more guys, a truck load of Asphault and some shovles and make 4 speed bumps that will do the same exact thing!!


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